helen frankenthaler interview

When we were all showing at Tibor de Nagy in the early fifties, none of us expected to sell pictures. And had two or three friends who were very serious, Marion Doty was one of them. I was 20 then, 21. Dabs … Not [Hieronymus] Bosch [inaudible]. MS. ROSE: What's the first time you remember meeting him? Helen Frankenthaler was an American painter and printmaker known for her unique method of staining canvas with thin veils of color. And the winter of '51 - '52 --. So you will have to milk me so I don't sound self effacing, I think. MS. ROSE: Good god, that was '36. I mean in a severe attack I would just go to pieces. And I think they were all also. In other words, I want to be good at what I do myself. I didn't like it. And I had had this very neurotic drama with Pollock and was very upset and crying and said to Bob, do you mind, I want to get out of there, the gallery was packed. From the description of Helen Frankenthaler interview, 1969. MS. ROSE: Well what was it like as a kid? That to me it clicked because really having looked at Cubism, been in New York in 1950, knowing de Kooning, etcetera, this was a clinching point of departure to me. I mean in terms of art? MS. FRANKENTHALER: His vocabulary was Cubism and he himself painted a quasi-Max Weber, Feininger, Villon, and what I call American Cubism, as I said before. The first gallery I went into was the one in which he showed (Valentine Dudensing). So that there was a real dialectic and thrilling and really brilliant, actually. Because there isn't an everywhere notion of "This is art" and "This isn't." But I think I was heading towards that need to make something that eventually had to be made by being put on the floor. Helen Frankenthaler and James Schuyler: A Correspondence; You Might Also Like. MS. ROSE: Gottlieb must have a fantastic eye. You know, it was just a beginning. Some of them are quite good. And I said I don't want to go any place where there are waiters, people, noise. I mean Clem certainly did not. MS. FRANKENTHALER: Well, it was our Saturday ritual and habit. But even then it was, you know, very casual and brief and without much exchange. MS. FRANKENTHALER: That he would say? And then I investigated something which is related to what I talked about in Number 14, Pollock, a side of me that --. I had the memory of the place and did a sunny green and yellow landscape. He had broken up with his [inaudible]. The full face profile in every muscle. But I had 2 sisters who were 5 1/2 and 6 1/2 years older, Marjorie and Gloria are eleven months apart. My mother was, she was very encouraging. HELEN FRANKENTHALER: Egan, yes. No, I'll correct that. MS. ROSE: What were you painting at Bennington? It's light in the painting that makes it work. MS. ROSE: Did you go to the Met a lot as a kid? Do you know? They have a Jewish quota. Still Braque and Picasso? That you use what's there. MS. ROSE: You saw Pollock when you went out to Springs [East Hampton, Long Island, New York] that summer of 1951 but you didn't really start working on the floor until 1952? And didn't want to stay in school, as I said before, to learn about studio drawing. Well, my father being a Supreme Court judge and --. That you liked so much at that moment. From the description of Helen Frankenthaler interview, 1969. MS. ROSE: What impressed you at that point? I want to ask you a question. It isn't that I want to experiment with style. And she was absolutely right. And they knew I had been in the context of Clem [inaudible] and painted. How did I start? I had no interest other than the body. I studied with Meyer Schapiro. But I don't think there's any connection between that and my spilling Duco enamel 20 years later. MS. FRANKENTHALER: I think he could not relate to people. And that Pollock instead opened up what one's own inventiveness could take off from. And I hung up the phone finally and headed for the door, late for some place. MS. ROSE: What was it so much about the paintings that hit you? I mean my father would walk behind me with my mother and say to her sometimes audibly to me, but she would tell me about this years later: "Watch that child. I’d rather risk an ugly surprise than rely on things I know I can do. And the Friedmans, who are old friends of mine, asked me to come to the dinner party that they were having, a lot of people. MS. ROSE: Suppose he had one of your paintings? I still, occasionally, when I get in a certain type of painting crisis, go back to drawing landscapes or an “accurate” portrait, but lately I tend to sit in the crisis rather than go back to drawing. In other words, I no longer wanted to talk to Al and Grace about the blue at the corner of my pictures or theirs. June, July, and August and the summer is over." MS. FRANKENTHALER: That your plans made accidents, demanded something else and then something else hinged on something else. Where, you know, you made that and it's great, he says. Black, cadmium, orange. And we did. MS. FRANKENTHALER: I knew [Marsden] Hartley, [John] Marin. MS. FRANKENTHALER: Oh, yes. We never ate apart at dinner, even when I was two. He wasn't nervous about it. Like Cubism which it came out of, painting in the de Kooning, Gorky idiom was first revealing, then inhibiting to me. He used to pick them out from,he had a very big class and very often he would take one of mine as an example of this works, say. And that used to fascinate me. MS. FRANKENTHALER: I painted like, in the Bennington development I painted like Picasso, or tried to. And it sort of laid an egg up there. But one is "lyrical" and the other is "surreal.'. Anyway, my great luck, which I won't go into in detail, I went to Dalton. Painters; New York, N.Y. Frankenthaler and Motherwell were married, and subsequently divorced. He might have been there that summer but I only stayed at Black Mountain about --. And there was a terrible scene at the [inaudible]. I was too much aware of, let’s say, what read as sex organs arranged in a room. MS. FRANKENTHALER: Yeah. I wonder if my pictures are more “lyrical” (that loaded word!) I knew the names and I knew the approaches. Yes. MS. ROSE: Well then, of course I guess it would be Bob next that happened. I think because he interested Paul in relation to the weather thing. MS. ROSE: When you graduated from Bennington what happened? And I say this also knowing after my own analysis all it wasn't marvelous, but essentially the memory and the feeling of the memory you can't fool yourself on. Or for the world? I think he was a competent minor satellite of the American Cubists. When did you first start drawing and painting and caring about art. An Interview with Helen Frankenthaler How did you first get into painting? We were married in April but we still celebrate December 15. MS. FRANKENTHALER: I had not met him until I saw his show. MS. FRANKENTHALER: But there you're a member of a team, and I'm not a competitive athlete. But it was Kandinsky. MS. FRANKENTHALER: Uh, '56. You can also read this biography. And I was 17. I had left camp. He had us do typewriter-page sized drawings in pencil, in Cubist or Mondrian or Lipschitz idiom. I don't know. That was a game which I used to play as a child which we were talking about yesterday that I loved. I mean what, for example, would you have liked? MS. ROSE: Friedl said you did it when you shared the studio with him. Later our lives and allegiances and values all changed and were rearranged—they do, as you develop through crucial years. No, not immediately, within months. Helen Frankenthaler: Paper is Painting, at Bernard Jacobson Gallery, London is one of three exhibitions of the American abstract painter there, since 2000. Once when he came to New York from Long Island [New York] to have a drink with Clem and I stayed for a little while because I knew their relationship was a kind of code, and different, unusual. Cy [Twombly] was then a very important, well, more than a cartoonist with his figures. Kandinsky I could see. MS. FRANKENTHALER: Jim Brooks. I don't think Friedl ever was. But I'd say that by the time I left there another girl and I were sort of the favorites, and the other girl was slightly dippy, so that he and I had the real relationship. Benita Manry, who was a painter, a sort of realistic-looking expressionist out of Hofmann. But Dove and [John] Marin, no. I mean I have a real sense that the right moment he could be very verbal, clear, and brilliant. At Bennington, the term I got there, Paul Feeley had just come back, after the war. He taught me how to stretch a canvas, mix mediums. Yeah. [Inaudible] I don't know, two blocks [inaudible]. MS. FRANKENTHALER: Oh, whenever I went there. ; 41 Pages, Transcript. And then in the winter of 1951 I had my first show at John's. I was terrified my mother was going to leave. ‎This episode focuses on Helen Frankenthaler (1928–2011). Whether I was Clem's girl or was somebody else there or not, you know. And when insecure terribly threatened. MS. FRANKENTHALER: When I saw the show I don't know if I did. Well, I always use this word and I'm always dissatisfied with it because it's not what I mean at all, but a surreal side. And I did an enormous Feeley-type picture called Woman on a Horse, you know, the profile three different ways and full face. This is an aspect of giving up one’s “mark.” The unsized area doesn’t have to do the work. And I was not --. I think when you’re really painting, involved in a painting, what goes on in the art world doesn’t matter. MS. ROSE: But the wrist really goes out of your work completely in a visible way. She had gone to music and art and with a year in it [inaudible] she was terribly serious. MS. FRANKENTHALER: Yeah. Looked at Marin a great deal. Because Paul was still somewhat my mentor I--. And Bob called me and said sort of out of the blue, he was going to try once more and then give up. MS. FRANKENTHALER: It was more than just the drawing, webbing, weaving, dripping of a stick held in enamel, more than just the rhythm. MS. ROSE: Do you feel you got anything particularly from Hofmann? MS. FRANKENTHALER: I don't think I thought about it then. Helen Frankenthaler and James Schuyler: A Correspondence; You Might Also Like. MS. FRANKENTHALER: Well, I think I really learned --. In interviews from 1969 and 1971, she disc… So I did. And nail polish is essentially enamel. In other words, at Brearley you can't paint or write stories unless you do the other stuff first. The first gallery I went into was the one in which he showed (Valentine Dudensing). She studied under the Mexican painter Rufino Tamayo in high school, at the It was all very cheap. And she was patrician and really beautiful, she was lively, youthful, earthy but with class. And Friedl had broken up with his wife and needed a place to live. Never aggressive and sober. (Unknown). That doesn’t mean I couldn’t—don’t—do pictures that need unsized areas. Were you involved in--? From the description of Helen Frankenthaler interview, 1969. The Painter's Club [The Artist's Club, or the Eighth Street Club] was in full swing and all the seeds of --. But I had been drawing them with color. Yes. I think it looks just like Provincetown Bay but abstract. MS. FRANKENTHALER: Well, Marjorie took me and the first picture I remember talking in front of, and I'm sure that there were many before it, but my first memory of talking about a painting with somebody was Marjorie taking me to either that show, though I think, I know the painting is in the permanent collection of the Museum, is the melting watch [The Persistence of Memory, 1931] of [Salvador] Dalí. I think they're totally different, nothing to do with each other. She had a house up here, it was a shack really and four other students shared it. And he thought that was what life was about. And then one that is clearly a nude [Nude, 1958], I mean anybody who knows pink and breast shape, the feeling of body being seen. Interesting, [inaudible] yeah. And I liked him. But this particular one and in reference to Number 14 was that I saw very clearly the drawing of something like an animal or a fox, in a wood in the center of it, which if we had a reproduction I could point to. I was living at home at the time and my mother had just gotten a television set, which was very, I mean it was unusual to have a set then. I was getting away from that. And I was a mess. The consistency of black darkens and thins, like the traditional Chinese ink and brush technique. And Grace had all these pictures that were going to Tibor's and she was riding high and powerful,  I don't mean successfully but willfully. I was then fourteen and was failing and was almost thrown out of Brearley as a sophomore. MS. FRANKENTHALER: [Inaudible.]Yes. MS. FRANKENTHALER: No. And then all kinds of things happened. MS. FRANKENTHALER: Yes, I remember bringing back to Paul a catalogue with a reproduction of, one show, [Jean] Dubuffet and [Henri] Matisse. Or wildly blotto, drunk and a mess. A lot of it, from my point of view might seem sad because I have such good memories of being a young painter in New York. Interview with Helen Frankenthaler, circa 1962. Walk in and see what it does to you. You know? Joining host Helen Molesworth are artist Rodney McMillian and art historian Alexander Nemerov. It was just like thick paint. One is it's a kind of boring accident to me, a drip. I mean Paul really honored me and by that time it was a friendship, it wasn't a --. And we had, along with all these reproductions you walked up [inaudible] and tacked up your own stuff. She received her Bachelor degree from Bennington College in 1948, and began her extensive travels. Did you study with him that summer? MS. ROSE: Well, what kind of qualities did you like? Every Friday night. And then Horace Mann merged with Lincoln [School, New York, New York] and my mother didn't want me to stay there. And then Clem and I went around the show together. The reader should bear in mind that he or she is reading a transcript of spoken, rather than written, prose. Quotes about Helen Frankenthaler [] sorted chronologically, by date of the quotes about Helen Frankenthaler The [Peter Paul] Rubens, most of the [inaudible]. Then you might forget the whole point of departure would be chairs to begin with and look at the picture and things and think, "Well, it needs a blue rectangle," let's say. MS. FRANKENTHALER: Only when the world put those labels on it. And he was encouraging. In most cases, Frankenthaler believed that mistakes made on canvas could be, in her words, “redeemed.” She elucidated this thinking in her 1998 interview with Brown. But generally you don't do that. MS. FRANKENTHALER: No. What's his name, what was it, Fletcher Martin. Writers like Mary McCarthy and Lillian Hellman positively resented what they considered a false and diminutive characterization. And Black Mountain was so depressing and nobody had a car. It is a totally abstract picture but it had that additional quality in it for me. And I was not a good athlete. Dorothy Gees Seckler Collection of Sound Recordings Relating to Art and Artists, 1962-1976. In a 1965 interview for Artforum Magazine with the art critic Henry Geldzahler, Helen Frankenthaler described her process of conceptualizing her work: When you first saw a Cubist or Impressionist picture there was a whole way of instructing the eye or the subconscious. I would go to the old Guggenheim to look at Kandinsky. MS. FRANKENTHALER: No, in the fall of '52. For Frankenthaler turned upside down the long-held, demanding rules for etching, lithography and other printing processes. Anyway, I went back a grade at Brearley and failed just about everything and after two years they didn't want to take me back, they said they would if I went to summer school, a French camp. I'm close to her in that she insists on talking to me on the phone and keeping in touch but it's her insistence and my allowance that sustains it. MS. ROSE: Did you know that it was god-awful? What was his role in Pollock's life? There was another painting in it by another girl named Jane Meyerhoff which was far less ambitious and a much better picture, and not trying half as hard as my Woman on a Horsewhich was gleaming with Demar varnish and retouching varnish. MS. FRANKENTHALER: That's interesting. It was marvelous. And I went back to the gallery a few days later to pick up my picture and straighten stuff at the first gallery. Or in a good way I reverse it and I mean the way I destroy. I didn't read it but I was always aware of it. But the next winter I, no, I'm wrong. And I think that pace and place differently at different times for each person. He was no star teacher but very good for me at that moment. HELEN FRANKENTHALER: Well, I said that over the years there have never been more than four or five people whose eyes I respect and in some way they do affect my work and sometimes even they don't, but I don't have a feeling that there are, even though there might be many people that liked or disliked my work from time to time, I don't feel that they're on the periphery watching me and affecting what I'm … Which are marvelous qualities. MS. ROSE: What do you think painting should give? I mean what did he bring to you? He helped me make the scale bigger. You could work with a greasy pencil and one of those crumbly erasers on white typewriter paper size mounted sheets through the winter, erasing and re-drawing and making it darker, making it lighter until it moved. The painting is 18 feet long. Joan Mitchell showed there. I never cried, really, by heart. Just the way I was in a certain groove at Dalton [School, Manhattan, New York], I was in a certain groove only that much later at Bennington, and that had to do with the power and mystique of the Literary Quarterly and we were all sort of immersed in this. I don't think it would serve that purpose anymore. I mean there wasn't a show that we didn't see or talk about, and often go to again because if something had puzzled us and we would check catalogues with a rating list of one check to three checks. When I was fifteen I started going to the Museum (of Modern Art) and a couple of galleries, mostly because of Tamayo, because he was teaching at my high school, Dalton. And I remember [Aristodimos] Kaldis coming out on the porch while I was painting it, I think in 1951, and trying to tell me how to make the picture look as if the piles of the wharf were really in the water. And I still have those someplace. Helen Frankenthaler (1928- 2011) was a painter from New York, N.Y. From the description of Oral history interview with Helen Frankenthaler, 1969. I mean it's not a painting, it's a motif. MS. ROSE: Well, Pollock didn't put sizing on either. He was my first friend who was a painter. He was splayed out too much. MS. FRANKENTHALER: Yeah. I mean I can do a tree or a face or a chair. you know. Whereas blocks have never been drips, and haven't been,  but, people don't know blocks the way they know drips. Earlier Kandinsky and Gorky had led me into what is now called “Abstract Expressionist” painting; but these came after all the Cubist training and exercise. See more ideas about helen frankenthaler, color fields, abstract expressionist. Or I might have met him at Clem's, say, in the spring '50. I looked hard at Marin but I didn't have any of the feeling for him that I had for Kandinsky. And if it’s over-worked and beyond help I throw it away. MS. ROSE: I mean what would he praise, or what would he put down? Do you remember? After ’51–’54 I had a long involvement with lines and black. MS. FRANKENTHALER: Oh, not that I can ever commit. U.S. painter Helen Frankenthaler, who poured thinned pigments directly onto untreated canvas to create ethereal fields of color seen as seminal works in … But now I'm 39 and she's 45. In 1951 I looked at de Kooning as much as at Pollock. And I got a few pictures together. And in the meantime I continued with him even after I graduated from Dalton. MS. ROSE: No? MS. FRANKENTHALER: Well, over the years I've done different things at different times with corners, even using them or ignoring them or pretending they're not corners, or feeling very grateful that there are four corners, or painting as if the corners were miles beyond my reach or vision and that they were only centers of periphery, at other times feeling I want edges and limits defined. MS. ROSE: What was his intellectual context? Right now I wouldn't be, but in the 40s at a certain moment, that opened a more fluid period that one might relate to Gorky. MS. ROSE: [Laughter]How old were you? I went with Clement Greenberg who threw me into the room and seemed to say “swim.” By then I had been exposed to enough of it so it hit me and had magic but didn’t puzzle me to the point of stopping my feelings. This episode focuses on Helen Frankenthaler (1928–2011). My mother was beautiful, in her early 40s, with three young girls, and widowed, [TELEPHONE RINGING] and had never had another man, no other man would ever do and never did. And it was so new, and so appealing, and so puzzling, and powerful, and real, and beautiful, and bewildering. I mean, we had --. Darn it and lick it both. And Jackson appreciated, needed, and relied on this. Let's say I had a leaning toward that weakness. I think there was so much thick painting around that I was very drawn to thin blotches. There were a lot of people that had been awfully good students of over the years, many painters that were giving off stuff that was as good as most of the stuff in New York galleries, certainly not the avant-garde. When I was fifteen I started going to the Museum (of Modern Art) and a couple of galleries, mostly because of Tamayo, because he was teaching at my high school, Dalton. I mean you remember going? If you have bands of blue, green and pink, the mind doesn’t think sky, grass and flesh. because I’m a woman. MS. ROSE: It drips. And when I think of lines if I pursue it and go way back, that's the first line in my memory. MS. FRANKENTHALER: What came off. MS. ROSE: Why did you want the graveyard? But the last migraine I had was in a doubles match with the Kunitzs about six years ago up here. Courtesy Helen Frankenthaler Foundation Archives, New York Frankenthaler struck up a romance with Clement Greenberg, considered the leading art critic of his time. And until I was, oh, a senior in college there was still that conflict: did I want to do something with writing or reading, or paint. MS. ROSE: Well what did you get from it? And what did you feel? [Inaudible.] And still had, by this time Sonya had left the studio. I went to my grandmother's place. In other words, you might look at a room full of chairs, two identical chairs without ever referring to the "chairyness" of it on paper, you might put a yellow S-shaped thing there and below it a yellow S-shaped thing there, and they're very much the same. I still lived at London Terrace but went there daily and that was my existence. MS. FRANKENTHALER: No. And everything was sure done with real grace and style and exchange. And Clem has such a good eye that very often his astonishment,  I mean here was,  look at what he was living with but I was knocking out paintings that were pretty terrific. MS. ROSE: What would the talk be like? And just did something else. But I am in my everyday life. I decided to go home. MS. ROSE: Were you ever conscious of transferring a kind of watercolor technique to oil painting? And Bob doesn't even remember meeting me then. The doctors made him stop playing. In my early teens, it was my sister Marge who took me around the Museum; she took me to see Dali’s melting watches. August 21, 2019; Posted by Karen Hale; abstract art, abstract ... She elucidated this thinking in her 1998 interview with Brown. But that does not mean that repetition or experiment isn't in the total picture of growth and development. We Didn’t Have a Chance to Say Goodbye By Sabrina Orah Mark January 14, 2021. MS. FRANKENTHALER: Oh, he was just fantastic. MS. FRANKENTHALER: I had met him well one night when I had been teaching an adult education painting course at Great Neck that was run by a very good guy who got the whole Cooper ménage and I think the New Gallery or Stable [Gallery],  a lot of people from those three galleries, to come out and teach. The opposite is going on now. Do you start your pictures with a plan or look in mind? And then I called Clem because I had along with many other people, Sonya [Rudikoff] and others, always read PR [Partisian Review]. Joining host Helen Molesworth are artist Rodney McMillian and art historian Alexander Nemerov. And I don't think "lyric" is a put down but "lyric" never implies the profound enough. They're on tiny scraps of lined, you know, the kind of pads you get for homework assignments in your pocketbook. No, start again. I used to try to work from a given, made shape. MS. FRANKENTHALER: Not much. 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